Divinity vs. Trinidad — Do You Know The Difference? (Part 1)

²⁶Because like the Fatherand has life in itself, so also has he given to the Son having life in itself;
²⁷and also gave him authority to make judgment, because it is the Son of Man. —JOHN 5:26

[STUDY, PART 1 — April 25, 2019] CristoVerdad, our WhatsApp group.
[SEE PART 2] Divinity vs. Trinidad — Do You Know The Difference?, Part 2
[STUDY, CristoVerdad]

[10:50 AM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO)
“Brothers, taking advantage of the topic, this text refers to the humanity of Christ, I expose it not because I do not believe in the Divinity of three but because this text is the one that antitrinitarians They take out very often, I hardly participate brothers but this is a doubt that I have had, the Lord bless you.

[10:55 AM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
As to whether the text of John 5:26 refers to the humanity of Christ, that is my question. I clarify it because in the previous text I did not put the question mark, (?)

[11:46 AM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Greetings brother Joel. I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly...

Now, first of all, in this place we are not “Trinitarians”, we are biblical. No, we do not believe in “The Trinity”, because it IS NOT in the Bible. We believe in Divinity, which is composed of God Father, God Son, and God Holy Spirit. Let's do a little study, since this question keeps coming up time after time...

Divinity and Trinity it's not the same, and—because they do not know how to make that difference, those who deny the existence of God—in his three divine persons, fall into similar darkness. While it is true that the Trinity presents three persons, it contains other elements that are completely unbiblical. “But the serpent was crafty…” (GEN 3:1), and he has also done a very good job in NOT CHANGE—that is, eliminating what was established by God, but in changing it—that is, altering it...

Greetings all members of ChristTruth, and to anyone else who may be reading this message (NOW IN THE FUTURE), through the different media where we publish.

Let me continue without interruption, please, to present the basis; then we interact…

[11:48 AM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Once again, Divinity and Trinity are not the same. The Trinity, as far as what is presented by God in his word, does not exist. If you look for the word Trinity in the Bible, you will not find it. On the other hand, if you look for it in the Catechism of the Catholic Church...

[11:51 AM, 4/25/2019] Marisol Mauricio, Bávaro (RD)

[11:55 AM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
I'll answer your question quickly, since it is linked to the topic: NO. The Bible is not read “In the name of the Father, of the son, nor of Holy Spirit." Nor should it ber “In the name of the father, nor of the son, nor of the Holy Spirit.” Pray to the Father, in the name of the son...

²And he said to them: When you pray, say: Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Your kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in the sky, so too in the earth. —LUKE 11:2

¹³And everything you ask the Father in my name, I will do it, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.—JOHN 14:13

This is what the Bible teaches, the rest is spiritualism. Even praying to the Holy Spirit is spiritualism, because if the Bible does not command it that way, then we would be praying to another spirit. All worship—Prayer is worship, it must be directed to the Father and the son, as the Bible teaches:

¹³ And to every created thing that is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and everything that is in them, I heard saying:he who sits on the throne, and the Lamb, be praise, honor, glory and power, forever and ever. —REVELATION 5:13

But isn't The Holy Spirit God? Yes, but God does not ask that the Holy Spirit be worshiped. It's a mystery, but I haven't revealed the reason to us. (DEUT. 29:29). All that is spiritualism. However, the Bible teaches—

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit; —MATHEW 28:19

The world "Christian"has very easily embraced the food of his mother Rome. What is established by God—his order, is not touched….

Returning to the matter of The Trinity…

232 Christians are baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Mt 28:19). First, they answer “I believe” to the triple question that asks them to confess their faith in the Father, the Son and the Spirit: Fides omnium christianorum in Trinitate consistit (“The faith of all Christians is founded on the Holy Trinity” (Saint Caesarius of Arles, Expositio symboli [sermo 9]: CCL 103, 48).  [1]a “In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” — The Holy Trinity [CATECHISM, Art. 232, Catholic Church Art. 232 Catechism of the Catholic Church

We know that God is Holy, (LEV. 20:7, 1 PET. 1:16), And still most holy (PROV. 9:10). But I need someone to give me the Bible quote that mentions "The Holy Trinity."…

Divinity and The Trinity—I repeat, are different things. The Word of God says:

⁷Because TRIS They are those who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. —1 JOHN 5:7

Many unwary people use this Biblical text to deny—NOT ACCEPT—the Divinity of God in his three persons—despite the redundancy, divine. However, on the contrary, this text confirms the divinity of three, exalting the Holy Spirit as God himself, since it makes him one with the Father and the Son. We will return to this point later, in the second part of this study...

The Bible speaks that the divinity of God is made up of three different persons. Jesus' final message to his disciples was—

¹⁹Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit; —MATHEW 28:19

That was his command, and now—

¹⁶And Jesus [1], after he was baptized, he immediately came up out of the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God [2] that descended like a dove, and came upon him.
¹⁷And there was a voice from heaven [3], which said: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. —MATHEW 3:16-17

—He left us the example,

¹⁵Because example you I have given, that you also may do as I have done to you. —JOHN 13:15

Three different people, says the Bible. However-

One question, does man know the origin of God?

Once again, the Bible does not contemplate worship of the Holy Spirit (REV. 5:13). The Trinity not only contemplates this, as opposed to a written statement, but also contemplates the consubstantiation of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and of the Father. This is why many Adventists and Evangelicals, as well as Lutherans and others, conclude that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same person. Rome has passed its doctrines to its daughters—the Churches….

[12:15 PM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
I want to ask

[12:16 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier
Let me finish this focus brother, thank you..…

So it is the Roman Catholic Church that speaks of the consubstantiation of the Father with the Holy Spirit and Jesus. That's where the other great heresy of Oneness comes from. I could continue elaborating on this point, since it is very broad. I recommend everyone study the topic of consubstantiation, but the reality is that the Trinity and Divinity are very different things...

Another point is that the divinity of God condemns the worship of other gods and their images (EXOD. 20:1-6). However, the Trinity contemplates—and encourages, the worship of all types of images attributed to—forgive the redundancy, The Trinity. I give you this example...

We know that in the Catholic Trinity images of Jesus are venerated, and even of the Father and the Holy Spirit. “Protestants” will say, “we do not worship images.” However, the second commandment says the following:

⁴Nor you will become an image, nor any similarity of whatever is up in the sky, neither below on the earth, nor in the waters under the earth.
⁵You will not bow to them, nor will you honor them; For I am the Lord your God, strong and jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation.eration of those who hate me,
⁶and I do mercy a mileres, to those who love me and keep my commandments. —EXODUS 20:4-6

An important point is that in the Catholic Church The Holy Trinity He is in himself a divinity—or would it be better to say, a deity? Just as they have a deity or divinity of the “Little boy Jesus“, whom they worship as a saint, independent of the pagan Jesus that they worship, so also the Holy Trinity, is a divinity in itself, apart from each one of them who—independently, forms part of that same divinity. If this confuses you, don't worry, I don't understand either...

All denominations use the same images of Jesus that Rome has created—all of them. The Bible not only says that you will not worship them, but that it will not even create them for you...

Is that what happens in Christianity?—of course not.

And not only have they created/used them, but they worship them too, every Saturday and every Sunday—and even every Friday, in their favorite church. Or are you not going to tell me that no one here has sung (PRAISE) a song of worship to the Holy Spirit or another song to the rhythm of a video with images of “Jesus”, “Moses”, “John”, “Daniel”, And the rest of your favorite Biblical characters?

[12:27 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):
Matthew 28:19 the Catholic Church itself admits that it changed it! And then?

[12:28 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Sister, please. I'm in the middle of a study. Wait until the end, where we will all intercat.

[12:29 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):
José Luis, with all due respect, but when you give a study, questions arise. It is not a preaching, we are studying and we do not want to be left with doubts. We must interact

[12:30 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Questions for the end. If I asked for the space, it is because I need it, and I don't want the important points to be lost, apart from the fact that I don't have much time...

[12:32 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):
Ok, at least I am restless and I don't want the questions to escape me, and since you don't have time we will be left without answers. Thank you, sorry.

[12:33 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Continuing with the matter of images and videos... All this is a product of the Trinity. And it is very easy to accept, because “where there is no law, no sin is imputed.” (ROM. 5:13). And everything—ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, the “Christian”—denominational world, has said there is no law. In other words, there is no sin, because “sin is a violation of the law” (1 JOHN 3:4). And if there is no sin, there is no law to transgress. And if there is no law to transgress, then “If you will make yourself an image and any likeness of whatever you want. You will honor them and prostrate yourself before them...." Etc etc.

And that is exactly what has happened. They are all idolaters and have not even realized it—for rejecting the law.

⁹Because in him dwells all the fullness of divinity bodily: —COLOSSIANS 2:9

God says divinity. Let's call things by their name. While it is true that modern translations refer to the word “deity” as a synonym, that is an alteration to the word of God. (Daniel 7:25). Google defines the word deity as follows:

And Wikipedia defines it like this—

A deity, or a God, is one to which important powers are normally attributed (although some deities are not attributed any power). It can be worshiped, conceived as holy, divine, sacred or immortal, held in high esteem, respected or feared by its followers and followers. [2]b deity, definition [LINK, Wikipedia]

Although these media give similar definitions to the word divinity, the truth is that the Bible presents God as the only divinity that must be worshiped—in the framework stipulated in the sacred scriptures—the Bible.

The text of JOHN 5:26, brother Joel, simply confirms the existence of three divine persons—one God (COL 2:8). It's incredible that so many people are confused about something so simple. This is what happens to them for saying there is no law, since it is the law of God that destroys every vestige of worship of anyone other than God—in his divinity. Worship—I emphasize again, that it is reserved only for the Father and the Son (REV. 5:13). And because they don't understand this either, they also say "there is no Holy Spirit." Once again, if the Bible does not present that we should worship the Holy Spirit, then we should not worship Him—even though this is God. [See MAT. 15:8-9]. This is a concept—and principle—that few—but very few—understand, by neglecting their study of the word of God.

It is the Trinity—my brothers, which also promotes prayer and worship of the Holy Spirit. However, I challenge anyone to show me that such a thing is presented in sacred scripture. And show me a single dual-biblical conversation, where a character from the scripture speaks, prays and/or worships the Holy Spirit. Once again, God's order is not touched.

Divinity and Trinity are not the same thing. You know the difference. Blessings for all.

END OF THE STUDY, GIVEN IMPRONTU. QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, AHEAD…

[INTERACTION]…

[12:49 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):

[12:49 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):
That is my question?

[12:49 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
I do not understand your question.

[12:52 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):
In the study you talked about that verse in relation to baptism on behalf of three people. And if The Catholic Church admits having manipulated itSo, will we believe in how something true?

[12:53 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
My sister Milagros, I ask you the following question… in all the writing, Does the Bible speak of Three divine persons?

[12:54 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):
My question has not been answered!

[12:54 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
That's where I go. Answer the rhetorical question, and it will lead you to the answer.

Is anyone else interested in another question?

[1:04 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Answering why I didn't take questions at the beginning... In most of our studies we interact. But sometimes—for one reason or another, that's not always possible. In this place, no one is left without an answer, nobody.

[1:04 PM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
So shouldn't we use the word trinity? Although for me it does not mean the same as for CatholicsOf course, if you use or have used that word I think it is due to ignorance.

Thanks for the photos brother. There in the second, as you emphasized, is the false doctrine of consubstantiation, Art. 242 of the Catechism.

So by “apostolic tradition”, the Catholic Church confesses these types of dogmas. Dogmas that the vast majority have accepted, for not understanding the divinity of God. Paul of Tarsus, Apostle of Jesus Christ, he explained it this way:

⁸Be careful that no one deceives you through philosophy and empty subtleties, according to the traditions of men, according to the rudiments of the world, and not according to Christ. —COLOSSIANS 2:8

[1:04 PM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
It's clear that that means for them, but of course, it doesn't.

[1:05 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
No. For Muslims Allah means God. Will we use the name Allah then because it means God?

I make the point, that—given that the word Allah is not a specific name like Jehovah or Jesus, but rather means God, it may be the case that a Muslim accepts Christ in his Heart, and can continue to call Allah in reference to the true God. However, in the Islamic religion—with his book the quran, Allah is not The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, although in places like the Adventist Church the opposite is being taught. [3]a BABYLON Eighth-day Adventist Part 4: Returning Home, Following Our North
[VIDEO 1:50:15, CristoVerdad] [3]b Allah, the god of the “Seventh” Day Adventist Corporation
[ARTICLE, CristoVerdad] You and I are not Muslims, and—obviously, we don't have that problem.

[1:06 PM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
Little brother never said that or implied that. Of course not, that's why I say it would be better to eradicate that term from our vocabulary, I honestly ask you!!

[1:07 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Of course not brother. The point is that it is not what a thing is to us, or what it seems to us. It's what God says, and that's as far as our opinion should go.

[1:20 PM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
Sometimes people, due to lack of knowledge and ignorance, fall into these types of issues, but whenever you want you can return to what God wants. Blessings

1:07 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:

[1:21 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):

Encyclopedia Britannica-1

Bible Cathechism p164-A

MAT 28_9 Hebrew I AM Pentecostal-A

MAT 28_9 Hebrew Miracles Marble-A

Catechism Bible 164_a

Catechism Bible 166_a

Matthew 28_20-A

MAT 28_9 Hebrew _A

[1:21 PM, 4/25/2019] Milagros Marmol, RD (USA):
I talk about this [photo gallery], I can't be clearer!

[1:24 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
Sister Milagros… first of all, you said what did he want interact, No? That's why I asked him the rhetorical question.

[1:25 PM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
Yes, of course, little brother, I understand it, and I never took it any other way, I continue to learn and I am in the best position to do so, God bless you

[1:25 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
I think—and I see it convenient—that I should explain a couple of biblical principles that I see are being lost here. I already know those documents and they do not surprise me. I didn't ask the question because I didn't know what you were talking about. We have been dealing with this issue for quite some time in this place—people with extra-biblical theories about the divinity of God. But let's go to those principles of what I mentioned first...

FIRST PRINCIPLE
⁹Who will be taught science, or who will be made to understand doctrine? To the weaned? to those torn from their breasts?
¹⁰Because commandment after commandment, command upon command, line after line, line upon line, a little there, a little there: … ¹³The word, therefore, of Jehovah It will be a commandment to them after commandment, command upon command, line upon line, line upon line, a little there, a little there; until they go and fall on their backs, and are broken, bound, and taken.
—ISAIAH 28:9-10, 13

SECOND PRINCIPLE
¹³But when that one comes Spirit of truth, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak of himself, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will show you things to come. —JOHN 16:13

This is God's method of knowing the truth in all his word; anything out of there, be anathema...

External documents are not to be used to verify the Bible, but the Bible is to be used to accept or disqualify any other “truth.” I think—with all due respect—that you are making that mistake. I have to come back to you with the same question, Is the Bible consistent in three Divine persons, but who are one God, in purpose?

The first time I saw these and other documents I received it in a video from a ministry that preaches the “uniqueness of God”...or rather, of [God. On their YouTube channel they have a logo Three female angels.

Three female angels, and these people come to talk to me about uniqueness?

I have another question—not rhetorical,Do you know who Saint Luke was??

As I already told you, I know these documents, and I will comment on them later. I think the question I asked was pretty simple. And in order to move forward, I need your response. Does the Bible—from Genesis TO Revelation—present three persons in the divinity of God? Oh and DON'T forget St. Luke.

[1:44 PM, 4/25/2019] José Luis Javier:
This is amazing. I thought I lost that link. When I go to YouTube to do a search, it's there in front of me, without having to search. This was several months ago, but here I find it face to face.

How many female angels does the Bible present?

Do you want to participate in the dialogue, or should I continue alone?

[2:00 PM, 4/25/2019] Joel, (MEXICO):
Expose brother.

HERE ENDS THE STUDY, FIRST PART.

—JOSÉ L. JAVIER

“Come out of her, my people…”

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SOURCES AND LINKS
PART 2: Divinity vs. Trinidad — Do You Know The Difference?
[1]a 232, “In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” — The Holy Trinity [CATECHISM, Art. 232, Catholic Church
[1]b 245, The False Doctrine of The Consubstantiation of Divinity, Catholic Church [LINK, Art. 245 Catechism]
[1]c 242, The False Doctrine of the Consubstantiation of Divinity, Catholic Church Doctrine
[2]a deity, definition [LINK, Google]
[2]b deity, definition [LINK, Wikipedia]
[3]a Eighth-day Adventist BABYLON Part 4: Returning Home, Following Our North [VIDEO 1:50:15, CristoVerdad]
[3]b Allah, the god of The “Seventh” Day Adventist Corporation [ARTICLE, CristoVerdad]

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